Anakin Padme meme:
Anakin: I will use agile to plan my project
Padme: 2-3 sprints ahead right?
Anakin:
Padme: 2-3 sprints ahead right?
We work in sprints but plan on roadmaps based on quarters one year into the future. So basically we just combine the worst of both worlds.
“Oh we have bugs from feature XY from last sprint? Never mind we need to follow the roadmap, we can fix it next quarter”
Fuck, I hate it so much
Who the hell came up with that? 😂 I’m sorry, but that’s hilarious.
What what? I thought agile means you don’t have to plan!
I think Dylan Beattie once said: If you don’t have a plan, how can you choose not to follow it?
Nah. It doesn’t say not to plan. It says to prefer responding to change over planning. Which means both happen but responding to change is more crucial. Or put another way don’t let your plan get in the way of responding to change.
I’m sure you were being sarcastic, but I get kind of tired of the Agile strawman and people shitting on it. It’s not a complex philosophy yet people extrapolate so much (too much) and then get annoyed when their assumptions don’t pan out well. even performing sprints is an extrapolation, so this meme gets it wrong too.
Well that’s largely because so few companies are doing agile correctly. Its usually some form of agilefall.
Found the scrum master.
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Lol imagine having management that give a shit about anything but firing as many workers as possible to make themselves look better. Deloitte can suck my fat fucking balls.
I worked for a company that Deloitte had contracts with. I thought they were shit only in Brazil but it looks like they are worldwide.
ugh. we plan user stories by quarters and everything after sprint1 is just generic garbage because it generally depends on the results of sprint1.
if I’m leading a project, I avoid this by begging POs to give me a sprint 0 where i solo code out all the scaffolding ground work before all the other engineers join the project.
Ticket 24987: “Do the needful”
I can’t pinpoint the exact problem, but corporate agile destroyed software development for me. I completely lost the fun developing software as an employee. I had the most fun on my first project, which was a waterfall one.
The problem is that people realized that they could sell agile training to middle management if they changed it to be about making middle managers feel empowered and giving progress visibility to upper management.
Agile has some good principles, but too often projects are delayed to support the process, when the process exists to support the projects. When a team is more focused on stand-ups and burn down charts than they are on shipping software, then they’re no longer agile. Unfortunately that is what happens to a lot of teams that decide to use Agile.
2-3 sprints?! Y’all really flying by the seat of your pants out here huh?
My teammates and I have no trouble planning multiple quarters in advance. If something crops up like some company wide security initiative, or an impactful bug needing fixed, etc then the related work is planned and then gets inserted ahead of some of the previously planned things and that’s fine because we’re “agile”.
I delivered a thing at the end of Q3 when we planned to deliver at the start of Q3? Nobody is surprised because when the interruptions came leadership had to choose which things get pushed back.
I love it. I get clear expectations set in regards to both the “when” and the “what”, and every delay/reprioritization that isn’t just someone slacking was chosen by management.
That’s not agile.
It’s not bad, it’s just not agile. Agile exists for projects where that simply isn’t possible. Its sacrificing a bit of potential best-case productivity to ensure you don’t get worst-case productivity.
I think this may be less about Agile and more that you have a great management team that sets clear priorities and goals. Not every Agile environment is like that.
I do greatly appreciate my management and general company tech culture, they’re great.
I agree with your stance here, because it’s part of my point. I tend to see more people bitching about Agile itself and not management or their particular implementation.
The jobs where I was only given enough info to plan 2 - 4 weeks out were so stressful because I frequently felt like I was guessing at which work was important or even actually relevant. Hated it.
Turns out it’s a skill issue ;p (on the management level to be clear). Folks, don’t let your lazy managers ruin you on a system that can be perfectly fine if done right.
I want to add: 2-3 sprints ahead is a GREAT begining goal for a team trying to get started with Agile.
Long term though let’s set that bar higher :D
Well said. I have nothing to add to that.
I’m so glad I left the industry…
I’m so glad the industry spit me out like a fishbone
Same, except now I don’t know how I’m gonna pay next month’s rent. (I was spit out a while ago.)
Have you tried setting [ECONOMY: NO] in the raws?
That gave me a chuckle.
I bought a small sailboat ($12k usd) and have been off-grid for 6 years now. My bills are (minus food) under $400/m, in South Florida / The Keys. I drive a 22 year old Toyota with 250000 miles on it I paid off in full MANY years ago. I shop Goodwill and used bundles on eBay. I only purchase food, underwear and sex toys new, everything else is used.
Lower your expectations, get rid of as many reoccurring monthly bills as possible, extract yourself from the madness.
It took me three long fucking years to get here from where you are exactly now, and that includes paying off most of my debts. I became debt free in late 2022 at 55 years old. Late for sure, but across the line nonetheless . Don’t give up hope, keep fighting, change your goals.
I’ll help you however I can as well bro/sis. Don’t let the bastards keep you down.
I thought about doing that, but I don’t have the training or license to drive a boat. I’m in Hawaii, so it can get pretty rough out in the ocean. I’m also not sure how I would get money for food and stuff. I don’t have massive savings or anything.
Every dev loves agile until they have to have a conversation with the users.
Bias on show : trad PM from the past .
As a dev, I think agile works best when there’s an ongoing conversation with the users, and I usually have to fight with management to get to speak to those actual users.
Do your scrum-using organization put users at the development process?!? I don’t think I’ve seen any Agile¹ organization doing that.
1 - The one with capital “A”, that is an antonym of the one with lower cap “a”.
Users can be like clients too though.
That’s a remarkable coincidence!
Anyway, yes, it’s not disallowed or impossible.
