From my understanding as a general citizen, who owns several firearms but purchased them all from stores, and has done some research but not a lot…
A license is not required for most firearms and many/most states don’t require registering firearms at all. Unless you’re getting into things that require special federal licenses.
Gun shows are a massive loophole in existing background check requirements for purchasing from stores, because sales there are instead classified as private sales. Even if you’re purchasing from a business at the show. And private sales aren’t required to run background checks. No expectation for an individual selling a firearm to have to pay to run a check on who they are selling to, so no requirement for private sales.
You’re wrong. Dealers operating even temp at a gun show are required to do a NICS background check before the sale by law. I’ve been to numerous ones, never been sold to without one.
The only way they’re a loophole is you can meet private citizens there to buy and sell with because yes, private sales are legal. Anyone smart selling private doesn’t do it without seeing a WCL and getting a picture of it.
OK so if I understand you correctly, at a gun show, you can buy a gun as if it was a piece of candy! No check, no registration no nothing. I’m sorry if it’s a stupid question, but this seems pretty crazy to me.
I replied to the other guy but checks are required on all sales from a dealer. They are not required, under federal law, in sales from your average joe. But some states have tighter restrictions.
The location being a gun show has no relevance on the legal status under fed law for these transactions.
NICS checks are background checks, when people fill out a Form 4473 in a gun store that is for the NICS check. They are required on all sales from dealers (even at gun shows). They are not required (barring tighter state regulations) from private non-dealers.
Gun shows are a massive loophole in existing background check requirements for purchasing from stores, because sales there are instead classified as private sales.
Not all sales at a gun show are private sales. Specifically those from a FFL (Federal Firearms Licenced Dealer). The federal law when first enacted specifically excluded private transfer for commerce clause reasons.
Even if you’re purchasing from a business at the show.
As mentioned above this is inaccurate. If you buy a firearm from a dealer at a gun show sans background check both you and the dealer have committed a crime.
And private sales aren’t required to run background checks.
This is true of actual private sales on the federal level. But several states have further restrictions requiring them.
Bruh in AZ I bought a gun from a buddy and all it took was sending him money over cashapp or zelle or whatever and the gun was mine. He personally requested a signature of release but that was unnecessary.
In most states you can do that (but if you say it’s for guns they’ll ban you because they don’t want that liability).
Of course if it gets used in a crime and the manufacturer or dealer has a record of you being the buyer, guess whose door they’re going to come knocking on.
I don’t get it? Can anybody buy a gun at a gun show? Do you show ID, to have it registered?
From my understanding as a general citizen, who owns several firearms but purchased them all from stores, and has done some research but not a lot…
A license is not required for most firearms and many/most states don’t require registering firearms at all. Unless you’re getting into things that require special federal licenses.
Gun shows are a massive loophole in existing background check requirements for purchasing from stores, because sales there are instead classified as private sales. Even if you’re purchasing from a business at the show. And private sales aren’t required to run background checks. No expectation for an individual selling a firearm to have to pay to run a check on who they are selling to, so no requirement for private sales.
You’re wrong. Dealers operating even temp at a gun show are required to do a NICS background check before the sale by law. I’ve been to numerous ones, never been sold to without one.
The only way they’re a loophole is you can meet private citizens there to buy and sell with because yes, private sales are legal. Anyone smart selling private doesn’t do it without seeing a WCL and getting a picture of it.
OK so if I understand you correctly, at a gun show, you can buy a gun as if it was a piece of candy! No check, no registration no nothing. I’m sorry if it’s a stupid question, but this seems pretty crazy to me.
I replied to the other guy but checks are required on all sales from a dealer. They are not required, under federal law, in sales from your average joe. But some states have tighter restrictions.
The location being a gun show has no relevance on the legal status under fed law for these transactions.
Oh don’t worry it’s actually worse than that! In some states it’s completely legal for 13 year olds to buy a gun at a gun show.
What!!! Are you saying you don’t have your constitutional rights if you are under 13? /s
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No. You have to go through a NICS check.
https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/nics/about-nics
That sounds like a background check, so now I’m as confused as I was to begin with.
Edit: Maybe states are different, but apparently it’s possible to buy without any check or showing ID at least in some states.
NICS checks are background checks, when people fill out a Form 4473 in a gun store that is for the NICS check. They are required on all sales from dealers (even at gun shows). They are not required (barring tighter state regulations) from private non-dealers.
Not all sales at a gun show are private sales. Specifically those from a FFL (Federal Firearms Licenced Dealer). The federal law when first enacted specifically excluded private transfer for commerce clause reasons.
As mentioned above this is inaccurate. If you buy a firearm from a dealer at a gun show sans background check both you and the dealer have committed a crime.
This is true of actual private sales on the federal level. But several states have further restrictions requiring them.
Bruh in AZ I bought a gun from a buddy and all it took was sending him money over cashapp or zelle or whatever and the gun was mine. He personally requested a signature of release but that was unnecessary.
In most states you can do that (but if you say it’s for guns they’ll ban you because they don’t want that liability).
Of course if it gets used in a crime and the manufacturer or dealer has a record of you being the buyer, guess whose door they’re going to come knocking on.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. 👍