If it’s not perfect we should do nothing you’re right. /S
You want to address big problems? We need more Democrats in control of the Congress and executive branch. Republicans will always push us back untill their platform changes.
I agree, but I fear with the language people are already using towards progressives about lackluster Biden support that they’ve taken their ball and went home.
It seems like Neoliberals have decided that compromising with progressives is not on the table.
The overton window has moved right every election since FDR, even under Democrats. Its the ratchet effect. If they dont go left when in power, then the right gets to define what is normal or not.
If you have more Democrats in power you can start to filter out the conservative and moderate Democrats. When we have the thinest majority possible, you can’t be picky with what gets passed as you need agreement from the full spectrum of Democrats. Manchin sucked as a Democrat. But he was vital in getting legislation passed that a Republican in his position wouldn’t pass.
Bringing this back to your original response, you’re complaining that any progress is bad if it doesn’t address the core issue, and I still disagree with that. Any progress is better than none and isn’t “lip service”, this is just how US government in reality works, you keep making larger more incremental steps.
Our current steps aren’t sufficient, in that I believe you and I agree, but there will hopefully be better, stronger legislation to address root problems.
If both paths are resulting in a radical shift in human life, if not its outright destruction, then now, there really is no point on debating which evil is lesser.
You neoliberals are actually insane on the climate issue.
So then why are you debating? You should accept your destiny that the world will end.
The rest of us in reality understand that you need to work for change, be happy for our victories and continue to push for better.
You seem to think crying in Lemmy that both parties suck and shouldn’t be supported will actually do something.
I’m saying that neither party is working towards making that change, so we need to do something else. Ideally, we make the Democratic Party take it seriously. That seems like the only viable path out of this.
By accepting the status quo, you are accepting that nobody is working for the needed changes required.
You are straight to givings dems a pass on this issue.
All climate change bills are lipservice if we dont address the core problem, infinite growth capitalism.
If it’s not perfect we should do nothing you’re right. /S
You want to address big problems? We need more Democrats in control of the Congress and executive branch. Republicans will always push us back untill their platform changes.
The second part of your statement is the problem. We dont JUST need more Democrats. We need BETTER Democrats.
Like I said, these 1/300th steps ARE THE COMPROMISE.
The current trajectory, even with Democrats in charge, is certain death of Humanity due to Climate change. Republicans will just do it faster.
Which is why we should be working on both.
I agree, but I fear with the language people are already using towards progressives about lackluster Biden support that they’ve taken their ball and went home.
It seems like Neoliberals have decided that compromising with progressives is not on the table.
Well do you want it to happen faster?
You have to shift the Overton Window to democratic issues and then we’ll actually have a chance to vote in better ones
The overton window has moved right every election since FDR, even under Democrats. Its the ratchet effect. If they dont go left when in power, then the right gets to define what is normal or not.
Better Democrats > more Democrats > Republicans
I’ll take a Manchin over a Republican, if it’s a hopelessly red district for example.
If you have more Democrats in power you can start to filter out the conservative and moderate Democrats. When we have the thinest majority possible, you can’t be picky with what gets passed as you need agreement from the full spectrum of Democrats. Manchin sucked as a Democrat. But he was vital in getting legislation passed that a Republican in his position wouldn’t pass.
Bringing this back to your original response, you’re complaining that any progress is bad if it doesn’t address the core issue, and I still disagree with that. Any progress is better than none and isn’t “lip service”, this is just how US government in reality works, you keep making larger more incremental steps. Our current steps aren’t sufficient, in that I believe you and I agree, but there will hopefully be better, stronger legislation to address root problems.
If both paths are resulting in a radical shift in human life, if not its outright destruction, then now, there really is no point on debating which evil is lesser.
You neoliberals are actually insane on the climate issue.
So then why are you debating? You should accept your destiny that the world will end. The rest of us in reality understand that you need to work for change, be happy for our victories and continue to push for better.
You seem to think crying in Lemmy that both parties suck and shouldn’t be supported will actually do something.
I’m saying that neither party is working towards making that change, so we need to do something else. Ideally, we make the Democratic Party take it seriously. That seems like the only viable path out of this.
By accepting the status quo, you are accepting that nobody is working for the needed changes required.
You are straight to givings dems a pass on this issue.