I do want to force my ideologies. Because my ideologies don’t result in persecution of belief.
You can believe whatever the fuck you want but in my ideal world your beliefs end at your doorstep. Outside of your home or preferred church your beliefs means nothing to anyone. So all this external preaching and symbolism would be outlawed.
It’s just never going to happen. None of the religions I’ve been in contact with are limited to “asnwering questions we don’t have answers to so you can live happily”, they always add “…while you give me some money/power”, which requires the religion to spread, so it’s incompatible with the followers keeping it “inside their home”.
Should we do that with all ideologies? Should we also keep trans and radical lgbtq ideology out of the streets and schools? Shall we keep communism and Palestinian demonstrations indoors and out of the public eye? Remove red, trans and rainbow flags?
And yes, it is comparable to a religion. Some of these are things if you disagree on you get cancelled and labelled as essentially a heretic for. Basically excommunicated. With very little space for forgiveness either.
Or is it different because deep down what you actually mean is “stop expressing ideology I disagree with in the public space”.
Sure, limits on freedom of speech are necessary when it’s basically the incitement of violence or direct death threats. But anything beyond that is authoritarian and undemocratic.
If people should have the right to preach on the streets, then people should be allowed to fly pride flags and have parades. If Christians are allowed to do street sermons, so should Muslims. We live in a free society.
You’re not wrong at least for me.
I do want to force my ideologies. Because my ideologies don’t result in persecution of belief.
You can believe whatever the fuck you want but in my ideal world your beliefs end at your doorstep. Outside of your home or preferred church your beliefs means nothing to anyone. So all this external preaching and symbolism would be outlawed.
It’s just never going to happen. None of the religions I’ve been in contact with are limited to “asnwering questions we don’t have answers to so you can live happily”, they always add “…while you give me some money/power”, which requires the religion to spread, so it’s incompatible with the followers keeping it “inside their home”.
What do you mean by “external preaching and symbolism”?
Basically if it’s not your home or church stfu about it. Don’t praise god, don’t preach, don’t soapbox.
Wanna talk about religion? Do it at home or in church. And sure as fuck keep it out of schools.
And by symbolism I was meaning stuff like setting up giant crosses or shit like that though I’d be fine with personal stuff like jewelry or whatever.
I’m just sick of hearing about religion. All religion.
Should we do that with all ideologies? Should we also keep trans and radical lgbtq ideology out of the streets and schools? Shall we keep communism and Palestinian demonstrations indoors and out of the public eye? Remove red, trans and rainbow flags?
And yes, it is comparable to a religion. Some of these are things if you disagree on you get cancelled and labelled as essentially a heretic for. Basically excommunicated. With very little space for forgiveness either.
Or is it different because deep down what you actually mean is “stop expressing ideology I disagree with in the public space”.
Sure, limits on freedom of speech are necessary when it’s basically the incitement of violence or direct death threats. But anything beyond that is authoritarian and undemocratic.
If people should have the right to preach on the streets, then people should be allowed to fly pride flags and have parades. If Christians are allowed to do street sermons, so should Muslims. We live in a free society.
This one part put so much bad faith in the rest of your argument that I’m not even giving you the satisfaction of a rebuttal
Excuses. You don’t have one. Funny suddenly me saying the same thing is “bad faith”
No it’s because I realized you were arguing from a point of complete and total ignorance.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the world that I don’t have the time or energy to correct you on.
Says the guy who wants freedom of speech surrounding religion banned.