Macron now: maybe better distance ourselves from the USA
Is anyone even taking this guy seriously? I mean i kind of understand he will say anything at all that have a slight chance of lessening the internal contradictions in France, but please tell me not even liberals have memory this short?
To be fair, maybe he actually thought that US would back his idiotic plan, and when was told to go pound sand that’s where he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.
Fair enough, it’s not the first time he’s made noises like this, but US not backing his hare brained scheme is likely the reason behind the latest outburst.
yeah and then he consistently mops up to the US and NATO like the good little puppy he is, its insufferable. He has zero political credibility left in france, he actually stopped making tv speeches because literally no one watches them.
Germany, UK and France were something like the centers of influence in the EU. Since UK brexited, Macron tries to capitalize on France being the one calling the shots, but doing it in a pretty embarassing manner. Remember his call to Putin early in 2022? Whatever one thinks about the subject of the call, he ran rogue from the EU and tried to be the frontrunner of EU-Russia relationships and probably claim the title of the peacemaker. Predictably, the only things he’s got are a tacker’s lecture and international WTF. And he also does this to the US, making himself look like a middleman in a EU-US dialogue. He looks like a Napoleon from historically incorrect jokes about his height, but not being a Napoleon-tier historical figure himself, but rather a side character. The type you skip all dialogs with.
Except the effect of his “autonomous Europe” policy is Europe being more and more dependent and more and more sabotaged by USA. Sure, Germany have more to say about it and they are gargling on US boot totally lately, but France influence is almost as big.
I guess they had a decent shot at it in the last two decades, but they blew it completely, and considering what Hollande and Merkel did with Minsk agreements, maybe they were never really intended to do it anyway.
He did talked about sending French troops, but that move only really benefits USA. If he wanted to distance France from USA he should first and foremost start with the most pressing things on US agenda - condemn Israeli genocide using all means available to sanction Israel, and at least try to act for a peace in Ukraine instead of constant stoking and escalating the conflict.
How is condemning Israel relevant to the protection of Europe?
He’s saying they should be relying on themselves instead of the US. For Europeans, what goes on in Israel is many layers removed from what’s going on in Ukraine.
Because it alienates them from their vassalizing lords, the United States.
Europe is currently stripping itself for parts for US interests. It is most in their interest to have an independent foreign policy but they’re so stuck in their imperialist wager of extracting wealth from the poorest countries (using the US as the global seat for this regime) it’s unimaginable to Euro liberals. They’re now so culturally ties to absolute nonsense about “Western values” and xenophobia (racism) that they can’t even bail themselves out of this situation.
Macron week ago: SEND TROOPS TO UKRAINE
Macron now: maybe better distance ourselves from the USA
Is anyone even taking this guy seriously? I mean i kind of understand he will say anything at all that have a slight chance of lessening the internal contradictions in France, but please tell me not even liberals have memory this short?
To be fair, maybe he actually thought that US would back his idiotic plan, and when was told to go pound sand that’s where he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.
Here he is saying it five months ago: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/
In March 2022: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/macron-distances-himself-from-us-biden-calling-putin-a-butcher/2547489
In Sept 2020: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-europe-dependency-us-arms/
Fair enough, it’s not the first time he’s made noises like this, but US not backing his hare brained scheme is likely the reason behind the latest outburst.
It’s not an “outburst”, it’s his consistent line. He’s staking his career on this “autonomous Europe” bet
https://web.archive.org/web/20230531170024/https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230411-president-macron-to-visit-netherlands-amid-row-over-china-comments
https://web.archive.org/web/20230608023631/https://www.politico.eu/article/74-percent-of-europeans-agree-with-french-president-emmanuel-macron-on-china-us-defense-report-shows/
yeah and then he consistently mops up to the US and NATO like the good little puppy he is, its insufferable. He has zero political credibility left in france, he actually stopped making tv speeches because literally no one watches them.
Germany, UK and France were something like the centers of influence in the EU. Since UK brexited, Macron tries to capitalize on France being the one calling the shots, but doing it in a pretty embarassing manner. Remember his call to Putin early in 2022? Whatever one thinks about the subject of the call, he ran rogue from the EU and tried to be the frontrunner of EU-Russia relationships and probably claim the title of the peacemaker. Predictably, the only things he’s got are a tacker’s lecture and international WTF. And he also does this to the US, making himself look like a middleman in a EU-US dialogue. He looks like a Napoleon from historically incorrect jokes about his height, but not being a Napoleon-tier historical figure himself, but rather a side character. The type you skip all dialogs with.
Except the effect of his “autonomous Europe” policy is Europe being more and more dependent and more and more sabotaged by USA. Sure, Germany have more to say about it and they are gargling on US boot totally lately, but France influence is almost as big.
I guess they had a decent shot at it in the last two decades, but they blew it completely, and considering what Hollande and Merkel did with Minsk agreements, maybe they were never really intended to do it anyway.
There’s a big difference between rhetoric and policy. The policy Macron is pursuing is ensuring the opposite of independent Europe.
No he’s just inconsistent, trying to appease different audiences.
yeah that’s the most likely scenario
Its the same eu army back and forth that has been going on since november 2012 i think, its just a talking point to further that goal.
NO.
How does one statement cancel out the other?
He could be talking about sending non-US troops to Ukraine.
He did talked about sending French troops, but that move only really benefits USA. If he wanted to distance France from USA he should first and foremost start with the most pressing things on US agenda - condemn Israeli genocide using all means available to sanction Israel, and at least try to act for a peace in Ukraine instead of constant stoking and escalating the conflict.
How is condemning Israel relevant to the protection of Europe?
He’s saying they should be relying on themselves instead of the US. For Europeans, what goes on in Israel is many layers removed from what’s going on in Ukraine.
Because it alienates them from their vassalizing lords, the United States.
Europe is currently stripping itself for parts for US interests. It is most in their interest to have an independent foreign policy but they’re so stuck in their imperialist wager of extracting wealth from the poorest countries (using the US as the global seat for this regime) it’s unimaginable to Euro liberals. They’re now so culturally ties to absolute nonsense about “Western values” and xenophobia (racism) that they can’t even bail themselves out of this situation.