While rebutting another post here on Lemmy, I ran into this. This says exactly what I want to say.
I am not a friend of Biden’s Administration. I think they drug their feet over a variety of things ranging from holding Trump and his goons accountable for January 6th through rulemaking on issues like OTC Birth Control and abortion rights, and yes, I think he’s too quick to please big business. But then I remember what the alternative is, and … well, disappointed in Biden or not, I’m voting for him. Because my wife is a Black bisexual goth woman, four strikes under Team Pepe’s tent. And I have my own strikes for marrying her as a White dude, and respecting her right to not have kids since she doesn’t want them is another strike against me. And I care about my Non-Christian, Gay, Transgender, and Minority friends, and will never willingly subject them to Team Pepe.
Biden is currently pulling us into World War 3 by supporting Genocide. He is actively pushing for Republican style immigration laws.
At this point there is no difference between Biden or Trump.
This is ignorant as shit. There is an OCEAN of difference between Trump and Biden. They couldn’t be any more different.
If you think Trump is going to stop Israel from killing Palestinians or make immigration easier for brown people, you are very mistaken.
But at least you punish him and maybe set a precedence?
Sooooo is Biden doing any of those things?
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Trump would be focused on destroying our institutions rather than other countries. There is definitely a difference.
Would you rather have the mass murder millions of innocent brown people in foreign countries than have negative consequences for the precious white Americans?
Well, the problem is it isn’t “either/or.” It’s “both or just one.”
Trump will be worse for Palestine, believe it or not. I mean, that isn’t hard to believe, it’s just hard to swallow that those are the choices. But it’s the one we’re stuck with.
Oh that is simply not true. Trump CAN’T be worse for Palestine.
Biden has done every single thing Netanyahu asked him to. After six months of Genocide there are still not a single weapons restriction and Biden is rushing as many weapons as he can to israel. And Biden condones every single one of the Genocidal war crimes openly. And vetoes any condemnation of israel.
The worst Trump can do is the same as Biden.
That’s a naive thing to think. Beyond naive.
Biden is actually kind of concerned with trying to appear like he cares. He kinda has to. It’s for selfish reasons, of course, he is still a politician. But Democratic voters aren’t just rank-n-file voters like republicans. And they’re not all wanting the most cruel thing to happen. Republicans voters almost universally are.
The US supports Israel. Like, the country. The machinery. Not Biden or trump or even Bernie, in that hypothetical situation. It’s a massive moneyed machine that probably just one dude couldn’t decide to stop—even if that person were president.
I’d vote for another country too, for another order, if I could. But we can’t. You’re voting for genocide or genocide. But one of those genocides comes with a slew of other problems for vulnerable communities at home. And that same one comes with a petulant fascist with harm on the brain and a rabid fan base wanting to tear trans people limb from limb and stick women back in the 1940s and just open up he earth and suck out whatever regardless of the consequences. We have minutes until midnight on the climate emergency. Even a slow descent into turmoil is better than throwing everything we can into the fires.
Being a one-issue voter, especially in 2024, is so incredibly shortsighted and…I’m sorry, but selfish. You’re willing to throw MORE Palestinians, trans people, women, the environment all into the shitpile for, I’m sorry, your personal sense of purity.
We all get it, what is happening in Palestine is beyond horrifying. It’s genocide. No argument, there. But even a president who has to make a few speeches and small demands on how Israel is “starting to concern” or whatever gestures Biden has to make for optics, is better than a vindictive, bloodthirsty bigot who will, believe it or not, be more cruel if and when he can. That shouldn’t be hard to believe, but it is hard to wrap your head around when the topic is supporting genocide.
Dude what? Even past hardcore Republicans like George Bush have been far stronger against israel than Biden.
This utter delusion that Biden can’t do anything to stop israel is some Blue Maga mental gymnastics.
Biden is ideologically motivated to support this Genocide. He is willing to throw away the entire election for it.
So you think something that last happened nearly 40 years ago is relevant to how the world order seems to work today? Like, that’s literally right after the beginning of the deregulation spree that has lasted…through today.
So much has changed in these last few decades. That just seems like a disingenuous comparison.
And look, I’m not a democrat. I’m a near lifelong third party voter actually. But I voted third party in 2016 and I felt…guilty. For the first time in my life. It made me seriously question why I voted third party. I’m an anarchist. But I’m also a realist. And I don’t want people I know and care for and groups I see struggle every day to be thrown into the fire because it means I get to hold my head up high and say I’m above it. You and I probably agree on a whole lot, actually. But on this issue, one I’ve thought about for most of my life at this point, logically I can’t come to another conclusion—even if my confidence in this position wavers from time to time. Because I don’t support Biden. I know the democrats are a problematic organization that actually fueled the surge to the right. They actually profited from trump, so they have a vested interest in running against him over and over. Or getting him back in office, honestly. They raised so much money when trump was in office. Even when the republicans held both chambers and the White House, the democrats were amassing power by virtue of having a boogeyman.
I know the path we’re on is due to the constant “lesser of two evils” choice we’re given. And it won’t lead us out of it. But neither will allowing trump and his true fascist party to get their hands back on the levers of power. More radical right wing Christo-fascist judges, probably another Supreme Court seat if a Republican is put back in office because I guarantee you Thomas will retire under the next Republican president. But maybe he’ll die in the next four years with a democrat in office. Think of how many harmful rulings that could stop.
The genocide issue is the worst situation we could have to navigate. And it’s the worst one to have to put any sort of support behind. But it’s not the only issue. Right now, women have some states in which they can go for an abortion. That number is decreasing. What will women and the babies they don’t want do then? Trans people have some safe havens and some supporters in the democrats. Get the most vindictive, hot-button issue button presser back in office? That is suddenly much less meaningful when those supporters are just shouting into the void. Not to mention the climate emergency. Which…I can’t even imagine what four more years of trump appointments to the EPA would do.
The choice to not vote for Biden isn’t doing the Palestinian people any good. In fact, it’ll probably be much, much worse for them under trump. You think it can’t get worse? It very much can. And it absolutely will if trump is the one they have in office. No more even subtle pressure from the US to try to salvage our own image. Just full steam ahead.
I say again, it’s a selfish decision to throw your hands up and say “I can’t vote to protect people because what would that say about me?”
It can’t be worse for them under Trump, and if genocide costs Biden the election, maybe, just maybe, next time a president has the choice to fuel a genocide, they will think twice.
There is literally a video of Trump bragging to random Jews in Mar a Lago that he got them more Palestinian land during his presidency. Trump’s only criticisms have been delusions that “October 7th wouldn’t have happened because Hamas wouldn’t dare piss me off” and telling Israelis “You guys have to fix the optics of what you’re doing because you are losing public support.” He doesn’t give a fuck about the genocide - he just wants it done more quietly so fewer people notice and get upset.
Thats great there’s literally a video of Joe Biden exclaiming he is a ZIonist. And promises unwavering support to israel and proceeding to supply them with unlimited weapons to commit Genocide with.
There is also a video of the Biden administration claiming that israel has never violated international humanitarian law since oct7
Trump would be more inclined to escalate.
In fact, Trump has said Israel should escalate. I believe the phrase he used was “finish the job”.
Trump says Israel has to get war in Gaza over ‘fast’ and warns it is ‘losing the PR war’
It’s interesting that you read something different in that. Trump says that they need to hurry up and finish what they started. That’s not a good thing.
It’s really scary to me, as a trans person with many trans friends, how eager much of the far left is to write us off as sacrifices. I guess my life doesn’t matter to you because I’m a “precious white American” (and this disingenuous horseshit totally ignores the fact that POC trans Americans will undoubtedly be the most affected).
But hey, at least I can feel as I draw my last tortured breaths in a christo-fascist deathcamp some solace in knowing that online tankies got to feel satisfaction in helping punish Biden by helping elect an honest-to-god fascist.
The Palestinians are drawing their last tortured breaths in death camps right now. It’s not hyperbole to write off someone else.
No one is threatening to create death camps in America, but Gaza is currently littered with dead bodies. I guess it’s a sacrifice you’re willing to make.
Rather condone the Genocide of millions of innocents than advocate for change you would prefer not taking any risk and having them certainly murdered with support of the Biden regime?
It’s pretty astounding to me that people do not consider Biden a Christo-Fascist yet. As he as actively trying to reach some Christian Zionist goals
Jezuz fuck, having a black-and-white worldview must be so freeing; not having to clutter your beautiful mind with things like FUCKING COMPLEXITY
What do you think about the Nazi’s? Do you know who won the German election in 1933? What about the Spanish civil war? Surely you don’t have a black and white opinion on the Nazi’s like just saying “they are evil for committing Genocide” right?
Godwin’d in 1.
Committing Genocide does tend to shorten the line to Hitler comparisons.