An increasing number of Americans want Joe Biden to encourage Israel to stop military actions in Gaza; and Mr. Biden’s handling of the situation is now down to its lowest levels yet.

In the poll, conducted before Iran’s drone and missile attack on Israel, there wasn’t much clamor among the U.S. public for U.S. military action against Iran, were Iran to strike Israel. More would instead have the U.S. support Israel’s next actions.

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    Since when do I need to back up an accusation made about someone who CLEARLY isn’t you? Why are you so upset over something is VERY provable that was said about someone you have nothing to do with?

    Butt-out man. This isn’t your argument.

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      No. For starters: the demand that I butt out because it’s not my business is coming from someone who involved themselves in an argument that wasn’t theirs to kick off the whole conversation. You can begin participation/speak up whenever you find fault but I can’t? 2nd - if you don’t want public scrutiny of bad arguments, don’t make bad arguments publicly. Your post as written was nothing more than unfounded bullying (didn’t deal with the argument, was just character assassination, and accusers must provide proof). I even said you could salvage it with evidence.

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          I’ll take that in good faith and thank you for being reasonable in the end :)

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            A bit of advice for you moving forward-

            Not everything said needs to be proven the moment it’s said. Sometimes it’s bait to make the person prove the point against them, and sometimes it sets a stage for a reveal. In other words- occasionally, theatrics are often used to illustrate a point.

            Or, it could also be that I’m not obligated to prove something to someone that has nothing to do with the accuser or the accused. In the future- maybe choose your battles better.

            :)

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              You are working from the assumption that I chose a bad battle. Here’s why that’s wrong - you publicly made a poor argument, and now are upset that I asked for proof to salvage it (which I specifically said you could do). You’re treating your public post like a private argument. Maybe don’t get upset when you’re called on the flaws of what you write on public forums, such as is the case with your original response which was nothing more than an ad hominem attack. You left the substance of the other person’s argument completely unaddressed in favor of character assassination.

              My advice in turn for you moving forward - improve the quality of your posts. Your assertion that you always meant to be better is weak and completely unfalsifiable - be better from the start and don’t employ bait, theatrics, and unfounded accusations.

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                  Man if you don’t want to debate, don’t start and repeatedly engage in debates. No one forced you to post on public forums, or to respond to me or the other poster. You have yet to post any rebuttal more cogent than “Butt out. I don’t need to provide proof because I wasn’t talking to you, the person who wants proof”. You chose this discussion as proven by your many replies - you even returned after our first finish to give a parting bit of snarky advice.