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      Lol, funny how liberals’ obsession with “whataboutism” completely evaporates whenever China makes a completely valid criticism of the West.

      “Easy political points on the world stage” good God, spare us the projection.

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      The USA, Israel et al aren’t a paragon of human rights, so I’m not sure what your point is. China is right here, maybe you are just trying to lower the value of its message?

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          Belgium

          Ever heard of the Congo? Still issues there as a result. Belgium still has a monarchy last I checked, and still hasn’t fixed the evil shit they did. Well maybe there’s some movement on that. Bit overdue.

          https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/06/30/belgium-moving-regrets-reparations

          Germany

          …moving on. No seriously you can’t think of anything Germany has ever done wrong? Okay more contemporary. Shutting all those nuclear power plants so they could buy gas from Russia, which props up the Russian war machine, was an excellent move, also opening new coal mines to speed up killing all those pesky Pacific Islander peoples is great. Size 24 /S here for the people that missed it.

          South Africa

          Has an absolutely awesome record on human rights!

          https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/south-africa

          Members of the South African Police Services continue to violate rights with little accountability. On July 5, the court acquitted four police officers of killing Mthokozisi Ntumba, a bystander shot and killed during student protests at the University of Witwatersrand on March 10, 2021.

          Killing students is so 70’s of them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

          Australia

          You really added Australia to this list and followed up with

          there are way more countries out there with clean colonial pasts than not

          Australia had a referendum just last year where they told Indigenous Australian’s they don’t want to give them constitutional recognition or allow the establishment of an advisory committee to Parliament. Lets not delve too deeply into the ancient history here though. The White Australia policy was only a thing until the 70’s.

          Lets move on to war crimes shall we?

          https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-19/afghan-war-crimes-report-released-what-you-need-to-know/12899880

          How about the secret courts that have been established?

          https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-05/witness-j-how-can-a-trial-be-kept-secret/11739288

          Or how the Government can declare evidence is of importance to “national security” without providing evidence and refuse to allow that evidence to be used in a defence against charges?

          https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-18/david-mcbride-guilty-plea-whistleblower-protection/103120544

          Oof. When China does it China is bad. When Australia does it they’re “paragons” of human rights! Silly me.

          England

          Okay now I know you’re fucking with me.

          https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/02/15/thats-when-nightmare-started/uk-and-us-forced-displacement-chagossians-and

          And yea it counts if the victims are still alive, and the evil cunts that did it are still alive. Oh and would you look at the UKs partners in crime?

          https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/19/hrw-submission-united-kingdom-international-agreements-committee-uk-governments

          Human Rights Watch has been monitoring, documenting, and assessing the human rights conditions in Rwanda since before the 1994 genocide. Serious human rights abuses continue to occur in Rwanda, including repression of free speech, arbitrary detention, ill-treatment, and torture by Rwandan authorities. Political space in Rwanda remains tightly closed and the opposition face routine threats and harassment. The reality of conditions in Rwanda calls into question and severely undermines the government’s assessment of it as a safe country for asylum seekers and refugees to be sent to, as set out in its country policy and information notes, equality impact assessment, Safety of Rwanda Bill, and its policy statement. This submission focuses specifically on the Policy Statement’s sections on Rwanda’s judiciary, human rights record, and compliance with international agreements.

          Rwanda

          See above.

          Turkey

          I mean you just gave up when you said “England” and didn’t even refer to them as the UK but sure, whatever. Turkey? The authoritarian dictatorship Turkey that’s been busy genociding the Kurds. Wait a sec, the term genocide seems familiar, doesn’t that come from something Turkey did to Armenians?

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          Crazy, because all of those countries have an awful history of human rights violations that was only stopped when they were forced to at gun point. Many of those countries have had recent human rights violations too. You’ve picked countries that’re currently struggling with racist and sexist tendencies actually. You should read some UN human rights violation reports before you make stupid claims.

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          Are you fucking serious? Half of those countries are actively supporting genocide in Palestine for one thing. Australia has fucking concentration camps! And Turkey? Please tell me you’re joking. You aren’t actually saying Belgium is a “shining example of a clean colonial past” right?

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      God fucking god. Even if China were doing this just to posture, AMERICA IS ACTIVELY AIDING A GENOCIDE. Stop pretending China is worse than America, it isn’t and you’re a propagandized dumb fuck idiot.

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        And China is actively committing genocide currently against the Uyghurs. There is a difference.

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          The “Uyghur genocide” disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over, but go on, while America is providing material support for a real one in Palestine as we speak, and Guantanamo Bay and other black sites are still in operation.

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          The blueprint of regime change operations

          We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

          Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

          The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

          Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

          Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

          Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.