• GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    1 month ago

    Im fine with both prisons and police. If they’re both working on my side. I dont like state oppression being used against me and would like it to be used on my class enemies. Abolish their’s, its bad. Im iffy on prisons but if the laws are in my favor, I would like them enforced. Im not against the very concept of police. Im against my enemies controlling them and if itd either thst or no police…I guess id take no police but would rather have my own set up and ready to go beforehand.

    • MarxMadness [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      1 month ago

      I dont like state oppression being used against me and would like it to be used on my class enemies.

      We have to stop conflating this with abolition. If I want to abolish slavery, or abolish the death penalty, it’s not that I want to be the one to decide who is subjected to those things, it’s that I don’t want anyone to be subjected to those things.

      That’s abolition, everything else is a degree of reform.

      • Ildsaye [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        1 month ago

        Why yes I do want a stateless classless moneyless society. I definitely welcome some unforeseen development in social relations that demobilizes the bourgeois remnants without force, but whatever one calls the proletarian bodies that forcibly restrain the bourgeois remnants during a socialist transition, they have been key to thwarting counterrevolution in the past and present.

        I absolutely don’t imagine the existing bourgeois police and prison infrastructure being suitable for capture though; it must be dismantled.

        What are the best books on police and prison abolition?