I live in a poorer country where I live with less than 10k a year. It’s low but since my country is generally less expensive I can live (and vacation) there with some comfort as long as I don’t go crazy. I’m a frugal person so I don’t miss out on anything.

My sister and brother-in-law went to live in Europe and they are doing very well. Together they easily make 200k. I’m happy for them.

The problem starts when I visit. The country they live in is far more expensive than mine. It isn’t always a problem since I don’t have to pay for accommodation and cooking at home is sustainable. The problem is they always want to eat out and do expensive activities (for my standards). And they always leave out the price until it’s time to pay since the price is meaningless for them. At first they would chip in until my brother-in-law started pulling “it’s your turn to pay now”. Imagine being given a dinner tab that is almost as much as your monthly paycheck.

Visiting has become stressing as hell, when I should be relaxing. I tried to talk about it, that eating at home would be more affordable for me, but they quickly go back to old habits. At this point I just decided it’s not worth it to visit anymore and blow my year savings in a few days. They’re not happy and, as much as I try, I can’t make them understand how much money I make. They can’t understand you can’t buy 100 euro meals everyday when you earn less than a 200 a week.

It’s also not much better when they visit our country but at least I know what prices to expect and since I’m home I can find an excuse to ditch them.

Maybe we have just grown appart and that’s that.

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    “I make $X per year. I am happy to go out, but you’ll have to shout me”?

    Pretty blunt, but maybe being clear about the number would help?

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    At first they would chip in until my brother-in-law started pulling “it’s your turn to pay now”

    What? I have to fight my non white friends that they even allow me to pay the bill, despite making significantly more than most of them.

    Tell them that if you visit, you have X budget for the entire time to spend. If they are willing to work with that, then fine. if they are not willing, then you cannot visit. It is as simple as that. You don’t owe them your time, leave alone your financial security. If they cannot respect that boundary, then you have to draw the line.

    I know this sounds harsh, but there is no other way, without endangering yourself. And it is not your responsibility that they live in a more expensive country. They have made that choice. And for all the financial benefit they are enjoying from that choice, having to consider the financial situation of guests from less expensive countries seems a rather small drawback.

    EDIT: a thought that just now crossed my mind. is it possible that they are living over their own budget and try to impress you when you visit, but then falter as they actually cannot afford the stuff themselves, so they need you to also spend on the expensive activities? If you feel that to be the case you should also confront them about it and tell them frankly that you are not impressed by the money they have or claim to have.

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    Honestly I think you should just be kind of straightforward with them and let them know that at home you were doing fine but once you are over there you’re basically going through a Year’s worth of savings eating out like that. I would say to be clear with them on that point and as long as you’ve gotten that through then that’s what you needed to get through to them.

    Maybe they will have time to think about it and realize the situation they are putting you in or maybe they won’t. Either way you shouldn’t need to overspend to be around them.

    If they realize what’s going on and change then good, you will be able to continue to see them and have them in your life, but if not I think it’s probably best to just keep the relationship long distance with them.

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    It’s similar to a situation with my friends, except I am the one with more money and I am considerate about it. (I’m one of the first to finish education and have a regular job)

    If I want to do something expensive with them and they don’t consider it worth it, I either pay for them or we don’t do it. I never nag them for it because that is just not nice behaviour.

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    I can’t imagine being that blind to income disparity! My sibling is not (yet) as well off as me and my partner. When they visit, they doesn’t spend a dime! I often offer to pay for the traveling as well, but they mostly refuse unless it’s peak holiday season. I know I like things that are likely out of their usual budget and i don’t want our visits to turn into an economical burden. When other friends visit, I also try to be mindful about it.

    When I was a student on a student budget, the deal was always that who travels paid for the travel costs, who hosts paid for everything else.

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    Just state what you said here.

    “Hey guys, going out is going to cost me a months wages. Remember where you came from the salaries are still low”

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    I understand it. I have emigrated like your sister, only that my relationship with money is not the standard. Given the terrible inflation, I was used to live without any savings… I was making 500 USD per month, and spending everything. Some (poorer) friends perhaps only liked me because of that. I think it’s not like I was buying their love or anything… just didn’t mind. Tried to be quite stoic/ anarchist about it. But then, that’s me.

    The standard (capitalist) way to go about money is that it’s yours as your soul. It’s an essence. You don’t share. Unless when you do a gift (e.g. birthdays)… And, even couples split tabs. Also, the standard (patriarchal) way about money is that Males pay. So your brother in law is just spitting the misery cassette.

    We (commentators) can blame all we want on this people. It won’t make OP feel any better.

    OP: I think that a difficult talk with your sister and/or brother in law is due. Perhaps even a letter (you can also ask someone else to proofread/ help). Tell them how you feel… That way, they’ll know why you are not visiting so often. If they are really shitty about it and get mad or anything else other than comprehend, then that’s onto them.

    PS. Do they have kids? I am an uncle, and my niece is in another country. But thankfully, since I emigrated, I have a not-so-dissimilar salary to my brother so I can plan holidays together… I’m actually looking forward to that. It will be our first.

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    They have grown with more money and their view towards lower classes has been blinded.

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      They haven’t. They have grown up in the same country as I, they just moved about 10 years ago.

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          Most do. But it’s hard to blame them considering how painful such memories can be. It takes enormous strength remembering your roots. Most people never develop that strength.

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      Large areas of North Africa have wages like that and very cheap travel to parts of Europe. It’s definitely possible

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    You have grown apart because you belong in different socioecominic classes now. It’s sad but this happens all the time. It ends friendships, relationships and even family ties. I’m sure you already know all of this, you’re just struggling with admitting it to yourself.

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        As much as you’re not “allowed” to run a marathon without limbs. As much as you’re not “allowed” to pilot an aircraft as a blind person.

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        That’s not what I read. And OP statement is a fact, peoples living standards change based on their income. This is also true for people that spend more time studying and/or start having more hobbies than their initial circle. You eventually make new friends that have your new lifestyle.

        P.s.: I still get together with most of my good childhood friends, but definitely not the same amount that used to be. Sometimes they only want to do and talk about things that I’m no longer interested in and the other way around.