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And again, that should result in jail time for all of those executives and all employees that actually destroyed messages
JAIL THEM, JAIL THEM NOW, JAIL THEM LONG
This sort of shit behavior will never end and only get worse until we, instead of hand slapping, start jailing these fuckers.
Jail a bunch of CEO’s for breaking the law and watch how fast they start behaving.
Either of us deliberately destroy data: locked up.
Company exec does the same: slap on the butt and a $2 fine.
We should all be on the same playing field!
Is it illegal for them to delete messages? I had always been under the impression that FOIA only covered government.
I read the article, and it’s way less bad than the title made it sound. They just set company chats to disappear after some number of days and told employees to not “comment before you have all the facts.” This has been the policy of every company I’ve worked at, including university IT and Amazon.
The title made it sound like they were deleting specifically chats related to open court cases, which is like level 10 ultra-illegal.
I read the article
From the shitshow that’s the comments, you’re the only one
These types of requests always backfire. We got a similar request when I worked for a very large corporation and the very first thing I did was create a backup of our Lotus Notes and take it home. Just in case.
And someone spoke up, right?
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Right…?
Actually, yes. It led to a huge lawsuit and changes in legislation regarding 401k contributions.
Justice boner, my favorite
Nationalize google and incarcerate their board.
Eh, you sure we want to give control of that shit to Trump and his people?
I’m not sure whether it could be worse.
It would be worse. They would use that access to target people.
Do you think anything is stopping them now? Why do you think these systems were built?
I mean they were built to make money, the fact that you can send them a national security letter is just a happy accident that keeps the NSA from having to run more datacenters.
I respectfully disagree. They were built for power and control from the start. Monestisation just paid for it and helped adoption.
I think you’ve got it backwards. Like the other person said, this shit was built to make money, the power and control came later. Said power and control also came partially from the money, since money is just power coupons, and they used that to buy up competitors and regulators alike to get to the state their in now.
Not everything is built with evil intentions. Quite frequently, evil corrupts otherwise benign institutions as they gain power to serve the ends of those already in power.
Profits. Dead people don’t pay.
Dead people also have no claim on the present or future. You can own more, even when the pie is shrinking if you negate others claims.
My dear child… They are already doing this. Us and Israeli spooks already infiltrated all mega corps. Mega corps know and collaborate.
All of them are balls deep helping waffen IDF do a genocide…
They help ice gestapo to target people within the US…
These examples are merely what has been publicly documented.
Yes, it’s a lot worse. The particular difference is that one of these organizations has the power to disappear you without consequence.
I know people like to hate on google, but google is actually like 3 companies in a trench coat.
They do highly valuable open source / open ecosystem work (I will say the chance of you indirectly using a google tool without knowing is over 90% now) and if the American government, a capitalist fascist government no less, gets their hands on it, we’re fucked
Not all of google is adsense or YouTube.
I hope there’s no Google in my life.
they already have these companies wiretapped since the early 2000s
Are you kidding?? They are way more accountable now to Wall Street and what’s left of US federal regulators and still-useful regulators like the EU. If nationalized they would answer to no one.
First thing I do when I’m told to delete messages is SecureDrop them to the press
Thats uh… thats a gigantic crime rofl, fucking wow.
Not quite sure exactly what that slots into, tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice, not complying with the discovery process… but uh yeah wow dang, that’s the kinda thing that can actually lead to charges against the actual people that do this, if not at least the people that order other to.
Great job, morons!
… fucking megacorp version of ‘the discord channel got leaked, nuke everything!’, especially if these directives were newly enacted after any of the anti trust suits began.
Nah, nothing will happen. At worst they get slapped on the hands with a few million dollars, and no one will care.
Jail these fuckers, jail them for long times, jail them now
Musk is still free and has been openly doing this with self driving junk for years. This is the USA where we haven’t had reasonable laws passed since the 1970s.
This is why companies have data retention settings to automatically delete old emails and slack/teams/etc. and special processes a classifications to store those communications that relate to contracts and such.
Just use Signal. You may be in Pete Hegseth’s next message.
He still hasn’t added me to any chats. What should I do?
Have you tried being rich and incompetent?
Did you say in your profile you’re a reporter? Ahha
This is probably why my company sets 90 day retention on emails and chats
I’ve always wondered, is this illegal? Like obviously it is if they’ve already been subpoenaed or something.
Nah it’s illegal to deliberately destroy data to impede investigations. You don’t need to have an open investigation for that to be the case.
It remains legal to get rid of old files to free up space or if you genuinely believe they aren’t necessary, though, so you need to prove intent.
If there’s a subpeona or something, their destruction is itself a crime, but under this law, its the intent to defraud the courts that’s illegal, and that intent is always illegal.
The law exists specifically for this situation. Purging important business documents preemptively is clearly not OK.
Citation: https://legalclarity.org/18-u-s-c-1519-destruction-alteration-or-falsification-of-records/
Just to add, if it’s found that evidence was destroyed, beyond potential seperate charges for the destruction itself, a judge would also typically give an averse inference instruction to the jury. That means the jury should assume that the destroyed evidence would have been damning to whomever destroyed it.
What that tells me is, assuming google acted rationally in the destruction, either they think they have a reasonable chance that they can beat the evidence destruction charges, or that the evidence is so damning that the reality of the situation is considerably worse than whatever adverse inferences might be drawn.
(I am not a lawyer, so please take my interpretation with a large grain of salt.)
It’s white collar crime. They’ll pay a fine which will mean nothing to them, and nobody will go to jail. That’s how it works.
they weren’t feeling lucky?
