Go to hp website and download crapware thats gonna search for drivers for you. Make sure to install symantics bullshit, amd catalyst bullshit, hp battery bullshit and other useless crap too.
Meanwhile linux boots to a perfectly running computer first time with no icons in the tray.
It seems like alottaaaaaa people on lemmy specifically haven’t used windows in the past several years. Built in AV is pretty much king on windows. Almost all drivers auto install even Nvidia albeit not the latest nvidia sometimes. Ten has built in battery options. You’re speaking about prebuilts and trying to spin the narrative. Windows 10 is a great OS, it’s hilarious how people attempt to pretend it’s not.
I installed Windows (both 10 & 11) last month on separate occasions, it took nearly 45m for it to install (with both 10 & 11), on top of that Windows 11 fucked up the first time around & I had to do it again. All to just update the BIOS because HP sucks.
When a Linux distro like Linux Mint installs in 5m-10m flat on the same exact device, first time around ever time.
Linux doesn’t need AV software, “security by design” is a key principle of Linux, and I don’t even think Windows itself actually “needs” AV software. It’s called common sense.
Automatically installing drivers won’t work if your WiFi card is unsupported out of the box like others have mentioned, especially with Windows 11 where you need internet to even install it the official “Microsoft way”.
While Linux has all such supported drivers built-in and can provide support for these devices long past their EOL on Windows.
Nvidia drivers will auto install on Linux distros such as Mint too.
Windows 10 is a great OS, it’s hilarious how people attempt to pretend it’s not.
Nobody said it wasn’t, his comment comes off more as shitting on HP than Windows; we just don’t ignore it’s downside when looking at the whole picture.
Also Windows 11 is arguably worse than Windows 10.
Each OS has pros & cons and it’s important to look at each closely without assuming someone else is in fairyland because they chose a different OS then you, if you’re not careful you may find yourself in the very fairyland you’re accusing others of being in.
You forgot the part where you have to look up what to write in the terminal whenever you want to do something, but I forgive you, it’s easy to forget something you need to do daily.
You take the mouse and do clicky clicky. Luckily theres usually one control panel on linux in contrast to three more and more legacy versions in windows where you need to go three levels deep in order to change the local ip address.
RPI is ARM not X86_64.
You really think that’s a proper equivalent?
Because it’s not, it’s not even the same at the terminal level because you’re missing quite a number of select tools that aren’t cross-compiled (yet).
Try Windows on ARM and compare it to the x86 version.
Not to mention both Linux and MacOS are way more developed on ARM than Windows is.
MacOS being the best ofc, thanks to the compatibility layer.
I believe your judging Linux too harshly based on an uneven playing ground.
Don’t hurt yourself trying to comprehend the difference between ARM & x86_64 architecture my man!
Deadass, I challenge you to install Windows on that Raspberry Pie, actually use it for a week, film the whole thing and upload a video on “just how amazing and usable Windows on ARM is compared to it’s X86 version” & seriously mean it. If you can do that, only then will your obvious troll energy turn into anything real. Fuck it, if you manage to install steam on Windows 11 ARM that’d be enough.
You realise the comment I was replying to was “I bet you never used Linux or you used it 20 years ago” and I simply replied to that and you’re the one who decided to shift the conversation to talk about ARM vs x86/64 and their compatibility with other OS… Right? You realize you derailed the conversation?
Nobody here; including the original comment you replied to; is talking about using Linux on an ARM device like a RPI except you.
Nore is Linux on a RPI an equivalent to using it on an actual desktop and that includes the terminal too because not every CLI tool outside of the coreutils has an ARM version or equivalent.
You realize bring up the RPI in your reply is completely irrelevant to the conversation… Right?
First off, you really don’t need the terminal if you choose to avoid it. You can get by just fine with a GUI package manager included in the “user-friendly” Linux distros; which is essentially a graphical app store that handles all installs, uninstalls, updates & system updates for you with a point and click.
Second :
Tab key, Auto completion, command cycling, command highlighting, man pages, TLDR pages, and so on.
There’s no; absolutely 0, zippo, nada; reason you should, need, or want to remember individual commands or how to use them when the previously mentioned exist.
On the other hand, it takes only four letters and hitting enter for me to update everything installed on my pc so not that hard to memorize a few commands.
If you have to do that to install anything, it’s either always your package manager or something that can be copy-pasted from the included installation guide.
You don’t even need the terminal in most cases. You have GUIs. Simple ones.
I’d rather have to type a line than struggle with installing 10 pieces of unnecessary bloatware individually
Go to hp website and download crapware thats gonna search for drivers for you. Make sure to install symantics bullshit, amd catalyst bullshit, hp battery bullshit and other useless crap too.
Meanwhile linux boots to a perfectly running computer first time with no icons in the tray.
You forgot whan the upgrade of the drivers and bloatware goes wrong on windows… What a great experience of “simplicity”
It seems like alottaaaaaa people on lemmy specifically haven’t used windows in the past several years. Built in AV is pretty much king on windows. Almost all drivers auto install even Nvidia albeit not the latest nvidia sometimes. Ten has built in battery options. You’re speaking about prebuilts and trying to spin the narrative. Windows 10 is a great OS, it’s hilarious how people attempt to pretend it’s not.
I installed Windows (both 10 & 11) last month on separate occasions, it took nearly 45m for it to install (with both 10 & 11), on top of that Windows 11 fucked up the first time around & I had to do it again. All to just update the BIOS because HP sucks.
When a Linux distro like Linux Mint installs in 5m-10m flat on the same exact device, first time around ever time.
Linux doesn’t need AV software, “security by design” is a key principle of Linux, and I don’t even think Windows itself actually “needs” AV software. It’s called common sense.
Automatically installing drivers won’t work if your WiFi card is unsupported out of the box like others have mentioned, especially with Windows 11 where you need internet to even install it the official “Microsoft way”. While Linux has all such supported drivers built-in and can provide support for these devices long past their EOL on Windows.
Nvidia drivers will auto install on Linux distros such as Mint too.
Nobody said it wasn’t, his comment comes off more as shitting on HP than Windows; we just don’t ignore it’s downside when looking at the whole picture.
Also Windows 11 is arguably worse than Windows 10.
Each OS has pros & cons and it’s important to look at each closely without assuming someone else is in fairyland because they chose a different OS then you, if you’re not careful you may find yourself in the very fairyland you’re accusing others of being in.
You forgot the part where you have to look up what to write in the terminal whenever you want to do something, but I forgive you, it’s easy to forget something you need to do daily.
You take the mouse and do clicky clicky. Luckily theres usually one control panel on linux in contrast to three more and more legacy versions in windows where you need to go three levels deep in order to change the local ip address.
You don’t have to use a terminal if you don’t want to. I choose to because it’s more convenient for me.
I literally click one button and it starts the entire automated update process. The only interruption is asking for a password
You probably never used Linux. Or you used it 20 years ago.
Last time was… Oh… 4 months ago, before my RPi was put in storage?
RPI is ARM not X86_64.
You really think that’s a proper equivalent?
Because it’s not, it’s not even the same at the terminal level because you’re missing quite a number of select tools that aren’t cross-compiled (yet).
Try Windows on ARM and compare it to the x86 version.
Not to mention both Linux and MacOS are way more developed on ARM than Windows is.
MacOS being the best ofc, thanks to the compatibility layer.
I believe your judging Linux too harshly based on an uneven playing ground.
Don’t hurt your back with that goalpost my man!
Don’t hurt yourself trying to comprehend the difference between ARM & x86_64 architecture my man!
Deadass, I challenge you to install Windows on that Raspberry Pie, actually use it for a week, film the whole thing and upload a video on “just how amazing and usable Windows on ARM is compared to it’s X86 version” & seriously mean it. If you can do that, only then will your obvious troll energy turn into anything real. Fuck it, if you manage to install steam on Windows 11 ARM that’d be enough.
I’ve been there, done that. ಠ_ಠ
You realise the comment I was replying to was “I bet you never used Linux or you used it 20 years ago” and I simply replied to that and you’re the one who decided to shift the conversation to talk about ARM vs x86/64 and their compatibility with other OS… Right? You realize you derailed the conversation?
RIGHT?
Nobody here; including the original comment you replied to; is talking about using Linux on an ARM device like a RPI except you.
Nore is Linux on a RPI an equivalent to using it on an actual desktop and that includes the terminal too because not every CLI tool outside of the coreutils has an ARM version or equivalent.
You realize bring up the RPI in your reply is completely irrelevant to the conversation… Right?
RIGHT?
Imagine thinking the terminal is something to be forced into.
First off, you really don’t need the terminal if you choose to avoid it. You can get by just fine with a GUI package manager included in the “user-friendly” Linux distros; which is essentially a graphical app store that handles all installs, uninstalls, updates & system updates for you with a point and click.
Second :
Tab key, Auto completion, command cycling, command highlighting, man pages, TLDR pages, and so on.
There’s no; absolutely 0, zippo, nada; reason you should, need, or want to remember individual commands or how to use them when the previously mentioned exist.
On the other hand, it takes only four letters and hitting enter for me to update everything installed on my pc so not that hard to memorize a few commands.
If you have to do that to install anything, it’s either always your package manager or something that can be copy-pasted from the included installation guide.
You don’t even need the terminal in most cases. You have GUIs. Simple ones.
I’d rather have to type a line than struggle with installing 10 pieces of unnecessary bloatware individually