• Darth_Mew@lemmy.world
      712·
      5 months ago

      this crazy fuck is right. hormones and other substances released in the water/dumped in the water change the genetics of animals living there. but yes cOnsPirAcY tHeoRy… until it’s affecting you it’s all a joke

      • tias@discuss.tchncs.de
        3·
        5 months ago

        Also it’s only a conspiracy if there’s intentional disregard for the best interests of people whom you are intentionally hiding information from. Where I live they were pumping out hormones into the river all the way back into the 60s, screwing up fish life. But it’s because they were ignorant and dumb. This is from the same time when the government had a campaign for people to weigh down garbage with rocks before throwing it in the sea, because it’s unsightly when it floats.

        Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

    • tabris@lemmy.world
      1061·
      5 months ago

      It’s not. Plant estrogens have a similar structure to human estrogen, but do not work the same in the human body. You can tell this is true because otherwise trans women would be downing soy milk like there was no tomorrow.

      • Ms. ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml
        112·
        5 months ago

        Isn’t estradiol made from yams? Like you can’t just eat plants for their hormones even if you physically could eat enough the hormones still need processed to be noticably effective on humans, but plants are still a viable source

        • huginn@feddit.it
          29·
          5 months ago

          It’s not extracted as-is from yams. Yams have diosgenin - which needs to be extracted, cleaned and then put through a few chemical processes to be useful.

          Plants are viable sources of precursors not of the end result, and many of these precursors aren’t useful in biological processes.

          Scientific studies have not shown Men to have substantial estrogen level changes from drinking soy.

          • Ms. ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml
            62·
            5 months ago

            That’s why I mentioned it needs processed. Didn’t know the word precursors but yeah we’re talking the same thing

      • FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee
        6·
        5 months ago

        otherwise trans women would be downing soy milk like there was no tomorrow

        This is the classic counter-argument to so many superstitions and conspiracy theories. Storms are punishment from God for your homosexuality? Oh great, let’s organise a big gay orgy everywhere there’s a drought! Crystals can heal you and ghosts can tell you secrets from beyond the grave? Brilliant, every military and intelligence agency is going to invest heavily changing warfare and espionage immediately!

    • volvoxvsmarla @lemm.ee
      2·
      5 months ago

      It’s been a while since I graduated but I think it was something like that: there is a molecule in soy that can be metabolized and then binds to estrogen receptors. However, there are two different receptors that, when activated, will have different signaling cascades and effects. That soy molecule binds to one of them. But only about 50% of people (I think the study was done in menopausal women) metabolize that molecule to the active, estrogen-receptor binding molecule. The others don’t and soy has absolutely no effect on them. For those who do metabolize it, it can have an effect on some estrogen-regulated pathways, but it is not “estrogen” and cannot substitute it.

    • Darth_Mew@lemmy.world
      28·
      5 months ago

      no it doesn’t… this has always meant feminine men exactly because soy is fucking with humans

  • whereBeWaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    2·
    5 months ago

    The bottom one kinda looks like markiplier, not trying to say he is a soyboy or anything the fish just physically looks like him somehow