PROTIP: Opposition to interventionism in the Middle East does not have to equate to support for the currently extant states therein.
PROTIP: Opposition to interventionism in the Middle East does not have to equate to support for the currently extant states therein.
I have a bunch of friends there from college and plenty of them have issues with their government, some of them even live in America now. 100% of them have way more of a problem with Israels genocide than anything their government is doing.
A whataboutism on an unrelated issue using “my Iranian friends”, no less! About what I expected after being confronted with the actual mass protests against the regime and the murderous response from the Islamic Republic, lol.
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Cool, thanks for not disputing anything I’ve said by bringing up unrelated issues. Glad you agree that the Islamic Republic is a murderous regime that deserves to be toppled, and I’m especially glad you agreed without going off on any tangents about unrelated issues to say “BUT OTHER PLACES BAD TOO”, or by trying to initially insinuate that “Real Iranians” aren’t against the regime. :)
I’m not super keen on toppling governments because “democracy” that you deliver to people by destroying their government is not democracy it is an occupation government. We saw this with Iraq and Afghanistan, I don’t know how you people refuse to learn, that is the real evidence of bad faith in this conversation.
I don’t live in Iran, or even in Russia right now so undermining those specific governments is not high on my agenda (I’m not on state department payroll).
I’ll just continue to direct my energies towards shittalking the bloodthirsty dictatorship where I live, the United States.
I didn’t realize that an attempted toppling by the Iranian people, put down by overwhelming force, including widespread use of sexual violence, was an attempt at an ‘occupation government’. But it’s unsurprising to hear such an opinion from a defender of the Islamic Republic.
And spending your energy defending bloodthirsty dictatorships elsewhere, apparently. :)
Aren’t you guys the ones super mad about meddling in other peoples governments? That’s the whole reason you’re you’re mad at Putin with Trump, what about you doing it makes it less bad? is this a case of ends justify the means?
You’re the one rageposting that the people who don’t support your genocide are not voting for your team this election
So now the Mahsa Amini protests were caused by Western meddling? Fucking lmao.
you had said:
so my later response was:
If it happens from people internally having their political will recognized then that’s a good thing.
If it happens from a military intervention like with Afghanistan and Iraq, (or with a bunch of state department ghouls dumping money on ISIS for terrorist attacks) that’s a bad thing.
I could make fun of you for struggling with reading, but this is clearly bad faith- You made a call to action that I was pointing out doesn’t really mean that you end up with any less of a dictatorship. I mean the Taliban is back in control in Afghanistan after America lost that conflict.
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To counter you anecdotal evidence: my partner fled from Iran 4 years ago and still has a lot of friends and family there. All of them would love see this regime fall, so much so, that her friends went out to protest One of them was arrested, tried and found guilty of corruption on earth. He was to not leave the country for five years and was threatened with an even harsher punishment, if he took part in protests again. He took to the streets the day after his release.
These people hate their government with a burning passion. Doesn’t matter what Israel does, they would love to see this occupational regime fall.
Yeah, the Islamic Republic is awful literally every Iranian person I know agrees on that, and it sucks that America meddled in their government for so long before it. Hopefully something that isn’t a western puppet government takes its place and actually represents the people.